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  • Login 14 novembre 2009 09:43

     @ SysATI


     Je faisais une application la plus directe du principe du rasoir D’Ockham smiley Nous disons la 
     même chose, ie. si cette histoire etait vrai, quelle serait la motivation pour qu’au final la 
     population pense des autorités de santé ce qu’il pense des financiers. Bien sur, j’ai peut être
     supposé à tord que tout le monde avait perdu toute confiance dans les ’autorités’ financières ...

     
     


  • Login 14 novembre 2009 01:45

     Considerer que cette gestion calamiteuse est voulue est bien sur l’hypothese la plus
     simple et donc à considérer en application du principe du rasoir d’Ockham.
     Vous décrivez ce que pourrait être le mobile. La conséquence ? Une population qui aurait un 
     jugement du même ordre sur les financiers et les autorités de santé.
     La, l’expose du mobile deviendrait franchement intéressant...


  • Login 13 novembre 2009 07:49

    The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a very serious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe. The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media.

    There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009. We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public gatherings.

    We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague, or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is, does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the disease but has failed to release this data.

    We know that WHO has NOT called for the quarantining of the Ukraine or the shutdown of all global travel to/from the area of infection and that this is the same thing that they did when Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) first broke out and that the failure to contain that virus early on ensured its spread throughout the world.

    We know that the internal temperature of the lungs of those with a terminal case of what many are calling ’Ukrainian Plague’ is often from 130F to 135F. We do know that autopsies show that the lungs are filled with blood, and are black in color, and that the lung tissue has turned to mush. We know that patients who first show any signs of illness usually crash in less than 48 hours, sometimes the same day.

    We know that the disease was spreading by about 200,000 per day but that this has slowed to about 100,000 day now, in the Ukraine, as people take extraordinary steps to contain the spread of the disease. We know that well over one and a third million people in the Ukraine are very ill with the disease (according to published official sources) and that over 60,000 are hospitalized in serious to critical condition. We know that the disease has a very high transmission rate with a likely low amount of viral (if it is in fact a virus) material needed to cause an infection. We know that the official reports of deaths are under 300 in the Ukraine. We also know that it is normal for hospital admissions of people with ARI (acute respiratory infection) to have a fatality rate of from 5% to 10%. We know that non-official sources were reporting over 3,000 deaths several days ago and that this number is more in tune with the 5-10% fatality rate than the official figures.

    We do not know what effective treatments are for this illness. We do know that young adults seem to be more in danger of this illness. We suspect that ’cytokine storming’ similar to that in the 1918 Spanish Flu, that killed approximately 50 million people, is taking place.

    We know from official Ukrainian Health Ministry reports that the illness does not test out as Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1). We do not know if the existing Swine Flu vaccine has any effect, but based on the non-positive response to Swine Flu in testing, we suspect that the vaccine is ineffective as the viral protean shell is different than A/H1N1 (if in fact it is a virus that causes the illness).

    We know that the illness has spread to Poland, where over one quarter of a million people are now very ill. We know that it has spread to Belarus and to Hungary and elsewhere in central Europe. We know that 900,000 people are said to have Swine Flu in Norway but we do not know if this is related to Ukraine Plague in any way.




  • Login 12 novembre 2009 20:02

    Ноябрь 12 2009 15:41 
    November 12, 2009 15:41 

    Suite

    По его словам, нужно срочно менять стандарты лечения, ведь те, которые применялись до сих пор, результатов не дали – в реанимации не удалось спасти всех людей, пораженных этим вирусом. 

    According to him, an urgent need to change the treatment standards, because those used so far, the results have not given - in intensive care unable to save all people infected with the virus. 

    Не оправдались в этой ситуации и аппараты искусственной вентиляции легких – смертность людей наступала в 100%. 

    Not justified in this situation and ALV apparatus - the death rate of people attacked in 100%. 

    Ввиду этого, группа профессоров Черновицкого медуниверситета обратилась в Министерство здравоохранения и СНБО с требованием пересмотреть стандарты лечения больных на Буковине. 

    In view of this, a group of professors of Chernivtsi Medical University appealed to the Ministry of Health and NSDC to demand to review the standards of treatment of patients in Bukovina. 

    Ученые-морфологи отправили в Киев протоколы, результаты исследований и взятые у тяжело больных и умерших от вируса лиц анализы. 

    Scientists-morphological sent to Kiev reports, studies and taken from seriously ill and died from the virus of tests. 

    Виктор Бачинский, входящий в группу инициаторов обращения, отмечает, что вирус является чрезвычайно токсичным, он способен проникать не только через органы дыхания, но и через глазную оболочку. 

    Victor Bachinsky, part of the initiators of the treatment group, notes that the virus is extremely toxic, it is able to penetrate not only through inhalation but also through the eye membrane

    Поэтому черновицкие ученые рекомендуют ни в коем случае не отказываться от масок и на период эпидемии даже носить защитные очки. 

    Therefore Chernovtsy scientists recommend in any case not to give up the masks and the period of the epidemic even wearing goggles. 

    Важным условием для недопущения ухудшения ситуации является также соблюдение карантинного режима. 

    An important condition to prevent deterioration of the situation is also the observance of quarantine regime. 

    http://www.zik.com.ua/ru/news/2009/11/12/204378



  • Login 12 novembre 2009 20:01

    Ноябрь 12 2009 15:41 
    November 12, 2009 15:41 

    Все жертвы вируса на Буковине (22 человека в возрасте от 20 до 40 лет) умерли не от двусторонней пневмонии, как это считалось ранее, а в результате вирусного дисстрессиндрома, то есть тотального поражения легких : сначала наступает сердечно-легочная недостаточность, а затем развивается кардиогенный шок, который вызывает остановку сердца и смерть. 

    All victims of the virus in Bukovina (22 persons aged 20 to 40 years) died not from bilateral pneumonia, as previously thought, but as a result of viral disstressindroma, ie total lung injury : first comes the cardio-pulmonary insufficiency, and then developed cardiogenic shock, which causes cardiac arrest and death. 

    Об этом вчера, 11 ноября, газете « Доба » сообщил начальник бюро Черновицкой областной судмедэкспертизы, доктор наук, профессор Виктор Бачинский. 

    On this Monday, 11 November, the newspaper « Doba » said Chief of the Chernivtsi regional forensic bureau, PhD, Professor Victor Bachinsky. 

    « Во время двусторонней пневмонии отслеживается определенная морфологическая картина. 
    « During the bilateral pneumonia monitor specific morphological picture. 
    Относительно данных смертей, то здесь такой морфологической картины нет. 
    Regarding these deaths, there is no such morphological picture. 
    Вирус, который вызывает смерть, очень агрессивен, он даже не поражает трахею, а сразу попадает в легкие и вызывает сильный их отек и сплошные кровоизлияния. 

    The virus, which causes death, is very aggressive, he did not strike the trachea, and immediately gets into the lungs and causes strong swelling and continuous hemorrhage. 

    Вызывают такое состояние смешанные типы парагриппа и гриппа А/Н1N1. 

    Causes such a state of mixed types of parainfluenza and influenza A/N1N1. 

    This is a very toxic strain, which has not yet been worked out by the Ministry of Health method of treatment », - said Victor Bachinsky. 

    По его словам, нужно срочно менять стандарты лечения, ведь те, которые применялись до сих пор, результатов не дали – в реанимации не удалось спасти всех людей, пораженных этим вирусом. 

    http://www.zik.com.ua/ru/news/2009/11/12/204378

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