stephanemot

y’a eu mieux depuis : certains Republicains ont dit que les Democrates voulaient transformer les Americains en vampires !

et les policiers charges de la securite d’Obama sont de plus en plus nerveux - l’autre jour, pas moins de 12 personnes s’etaient pointees avec un gros calibre a son meeting

le debat vole haut...

@alberto

au lieu de suivre betement le discours des extremistes, lisez a tete reposee le projet de loi

les extremes des deux bords (dont votre cher Lyndon LaRouche fait partie) sont contre la reforme parce qu’elle est consensuelle et non dogmatique, une etape avant le vrai nettoyage.

on l’a vu avant l’invasion de l’Irak, traiter quelqu’un de « nouvel Hitler » marque facilement les esprits faibles et facilite la mobilisation des va-t-en guerre.

mais le public US n’est peut etre plus aussi naif que vous, et un recent sondage montre que meme si des rumeurs ont reussi a semer le trouble dans les esprits, la confiance demeure a un niveau eleve.

comme pendant la campagne presidentielle, aucune des fausses rumeurs colportees contre la reforme ne resiste a un simple expose des faits. sur son site, la Maison Blanche reprend une a une les fausses accusations pour exposer l’imposture.

le coup de l’euthanasie est une imposture, une rumeur particulierement grossiere lancee par Regnery & co. Maintenant ils s’appuient sur la section 1233 que je reproduis ci-dessous. Il ne s’agit pas du texte definitif, mais meme certains groupes cathos ont ete forces de reconnaitre qu’il n’y avait la aucune invitation a l’euthanasie, simplement une saine et necessaire discussion sur les options possibles, en particulier dans le cadre de traitements penibles de maladies incurables (ex a un certain stade, beaucoup preferent que l’on privilegie la lutte contre la douleur a la lutte contre la maladie elle-meme, qui affaiblit encore plus.

rien a voir avec l’interdiction de soins dont vous parlez, bien au contraire.



15 SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.

16 (a) MEDICARE.—
17 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
18 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1 395x) is amended—

4 “(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
5 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail-
6 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
7 fits for such services and supports that are available
8 under this title.
9 “(F) (i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of
10 orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar
11 orders, which shall include—
12 “(I) the reasons why the development of
13 such an order is beneficial to the individual and
14 the individual’s family and the reasons why
15 such an order should be updated periodically as
16 the health of the individual changes ;
17 “(II) the information needed for an indi
18 vidual or legal surrogate to make informed deci
19 sions regarding the completion of such an
20 order ; and
21 “(III) the identification of resources that
22 an individual may use to determine the require-
23 ments of the State in which such individual re-
24 sides so that the treatment wishes of that indi
25 vidual will be carried out if the individual is un
1 able to communicate those wishes, including re-
2 quirements regarding the designation of a sur
3 rogate decisionmaker (also known as a health
4 care proxy).
5 “(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement
6 for explanations under clause (i) to consultations
7 furnished in a State—
8 “(I) in which all legal barriers have been
9 addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining
10 treatment to constitute a set of medical orders
11 respected across all care settings ; and
12 “(II) that has in effect a program for or-
13 ders for life sustaining treatment described in
14 clause (iii).
15 “(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
17 program that—
18 “(I) ensures such orders are standardized
19 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State ;
20 “(II) distributes or makes accessible such
21 orders to physicians and other health profes
22 sionals that (acting within the scope of the pro-
23 fessional’s authority under State law) may sign
24 orders for life sustaining treatment ;
1 “(III) provides training for health care
2 professionals across the continuum of care
3 about the goals and use of orders for life sus-
4 taining treatment ; and
5 “(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake-
6 holders includes representatives from emergency
7 medical services, emergency department physi
8 cians or nurses, state long-term care associa
9 tion, state medical association, state surveyors,
10 agency responsible for senior services, state de-
11 partment of health, state hospital association,
12 home health association, state bar association,
13 and state hospice association.
1 “(B) An advance care planning consultation with re-
2 spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant
4 change in the health condition of the individual, including
5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening
7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a
8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or
9 a hospice program.
10 “(4) A consultation under this subsection may in-
11 clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
12 treatment or a similar order.
13 “(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order
14 regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect
15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
16 the treatment of that individual that—
17 “(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as de-
18 fined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care
19 professional (as specified by the Secretary and who
20 is acting within the scope of the professional’s au-
21 thority under State law in signing such an order, in-
22 cluding a nurse practitioner or physician assistant)
23 and is in a form that permits it to stay with the in-
24 dividual and be followed by health care professionals
25 and providers across the continuum of care ;

1 “(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s
2 preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, in-
3 cluding an indication of the treatment and care de-
4 sired by the individual ;
5 “(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized
6 within a given locality, region, or State (as identified
7 by the Secretary) ; and
8 “(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as
9 defined in section 1866(f) (3)) if executed by the in-
10 dividual.
11 “(B) The level of treatment indicated under subpara
12 graph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treat-
13 ment to an indication to limit some or all or specified
14 interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may in-
15 clude indications respecting, among other items—
16 “(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the
17 patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac
18 or pulmonary problems ;
19 “(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer
20 to a hospital or remaining at the current care set-
21 ting ;
22 “(iii) the use of antibiotics ; and
23 “(iv) the use of artificially administered nutri
24 tion and hydration.”.

je me demande sous quel(s) pseudo(s) je vous ai deja croise.

celui-ci est tout nouveau et ne fera vraisemblablement pas de vieux os, mais il me semble avoir toujours affaire aux memes desequilibres.

La famille du defunt vient de nommer la personne qui dirigera les hommages.

Kim Young-sam.

Ca c’est de la Sunshine Policy.

desole d’interrompre votre debat de linguistes distingues mais je ne vois pas le rapport avec le sujet.

a moins que vous ne parliez d’echanges epistolaires entre Timothy et George Bush, remontant au XIXe siecle... et encore !